Nokia N810 Internet Tablet

So surely the iPod Touch is a complete and utter failure, too, since it also doesn't have a built-in cell phone. And besides - who would NOT want to be shackled to the same lame EDGE wireless technology for two years? And oh boy - the GPS in the iPhone (or iPod touch) gets a lock SOOO much faster.I think it's great to say a device with more features is worse than a device with fewer features, just because the added features are not 100% perfectly implemented.FWIW, I find the on-screen keyboard in the iPhone terrible to use and the two-finger zoom totally breaks the flow of things, since you can't do it with the thumb alone while you are holding the device with one hand. The Zoom in/out rocker on the W810 is far easier to use and less prone to mis-interpreted taps. Talking about misinterpreted taps - at least with the W810/W800 you have the CHOICE to use a stylus. I really wish the iPhone had that choice since links in webpages are quite hard to tap sometimes - half the times it's misinterpreted as a moving of the page. But then again - Apple was never about choice.And the list goes on... the iPhone's screen's resolution is quite lousy (my 3 years old Palm T3 has the same resolution as the iPhone - where's the innovation?) Lack of of third part software. Have you even looked for 3rd party software? There's a gazillion out there. And then there's Skype and Gizmo for free VoIP phone calls.BTW: I agree that the GPS' time-to-first-fix is unacceptably slow. But once it has a fix, it's very good at holding onto it (even with tall buildings/trees) and quite precise.

the one thing i did not like about the iphone was the ... phone. as a phone it is to big to use. and i had to take it with me every place i went. now that i have the n810 i can leave it behine when i don't need it. i keep my dandy v3 in my pocket and away i go.i can use any phone and any service i want. a quick and almlst transparent conection to the v3 and the internet is at my command.the n800 & n810 are not phone replacements but laptop replacements for doing abot 90% of what i would do with a bulky laptop

@Martin,You're right - I also happen to think the iPod Touch is a failure. What's the point of nearly-there devices like this? I want everything - mobile internet/phone/audio player/video - in one small, easy-to-pocket package. The iPhone is the closest thing yet, though it's still not quite there (it's locked and the OS has plenty of annoying little glitches that I just don't have the energy to moan about at this time of the morning). But trust me, I'm not an Apple evangelist: Apple pumps out far too much form-over-function kit for my liking. However, the iPhone won me over. That, and Exposé - pretty much the only two good things Apple has ever made.Regardless, don't think I hate the N810. Indeed, I really wanted to love it and do have a certain affection for it. But without a self-contained mobile connection, it would be useless in many situations: I?d rather have EDGE than nothing (and FWIW, I find EDGE connections more than adequate for 99% of mobile surfing requirements). We don't all live/work in thriving metropolises with Wi-Fi hotspots on ever corner (well, okay, I do as it happens... but I also want net access when hiking in the Peaks, sad git that I am).Yes, I could get that with an N810/800 and a mobile phone. Or I could get it with an iPhone. I choose the latter. Others, of course, will be happy to carry two devices, or be otherwise reliant on hotspots. That's a choice, too.So on the Apple-not-being-about-choice comment - if you don't like the iPhone, choose something else.Scott.

Some of the differences I have seen, in comparison to the review:I haven't experienced bowing of the keyboard after two months of use.I'm curious about the author's definition of a quick locktime for the GPSr. It seems that I was able to get better functionality with the installation of Maemo-mapper (and flite for voice). This offers a higher level of configurability, and it also displayed elevation. The only thing that Wayfinder did better than Maemo-Mapper was to offer a 3D map and a smoother voice (voice comes with paid subscription). I advise any new user to give the Maemo-mapper installation a try before sinking money into Wayfinder's 3-year contract.I, too, would like to see the pop out rotating webcam carried forward from the N800 to the N810. However, I'm guessing that was a hardware concession to accommadate the integrated keyboard.I also envy the extra external memory (up to 16 gig) that can be added to the N800. But there is twice as much internal memory in the N810.

I will put my hands up here & now and say that I havn't even seen an N810 in the flesh as yet, but that said, looking at the specs and all the reviews to date, I can't see that I'll need to. For the last 12 months my N800 has been my mobile internet portal and multimedia device of choice/circumstance and to date has performed flawlessly, with regular useful and effective improvements with every OS update. So far, the internal memory has never been and issue. That extra SD slot though makes an enormous difference. I have recently bought a 16GB SD card and along with the previous 8GB now sport 24GB of flash memory in my N800. Outrageous! Thats my entire music collection, and the majority of my ever expanding photo albums. Here's something though - it also includes roadmaps of most of Europe and Scandinavia. I was checking out the built in mapping software in OS2008 and discovered that (dependant on your data connection etc...) the maps are a FREE download. It appears that you pay if you want the all singing all dancing routefinder software but the basic mapping application and data itself are FREE. Check it out - you can still do address searches, postcodes, save POIs and favourite locations and it will all work with your BlueTooth GPS - you just have to be able to read a map and use your head. It does take a while to download as well - you are talking gigabytes of data after all - so keep the charger plugged in and do it overnight via your home wifi connection (bitter experience speaking there!) Eastern & Western USA is another 1.4GB offload - Hmmmmm... another 16GB SD card is suddenly looking veeeery tempting...But I digress - I agree with the previous reviewer - Save your money, get an N800 and a couple of BIG SD cards.

First thing you do when you get your N800 is re-flash it with OS2008...

the n800 and n810 are quite similar, but at twice the price, the n810 is not as attractive to those of us who want a Linux-based handheld Internet device... my n800 sports 32GB of storage, holding 10,000 books, 10GB of music, and nearly 20 movies... it can be used as a remote security camera... it can video conference... instant message... browse the web... send and receive email... WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT???

@ScottIf you wanted an all-in-one device with an integrated cell phone, then why did you review the N810 then?It kind of makes your review is nonsense.You should highlight what is has and then compare that to others. I think you missed a lot of them. And you could have delved a little deeper into the expandability.

The point isn't about the N810 lacking phone features, but that it needs access to a second device (a Bluetooth phone) if it's to get online when it isn't near a Wi-Fi network. It'd be trivial for Nokia to integrate GPRS or 3G and it'd add little to the cost -- the device could be sold unlocked and users would then have the choice of dropping in a SIM. As it stands, you have to carry both the N810 and a phone -- and that's certainly one device too many for me.

Most of the world's population that would be in the market for this device HAS a cell phone already. Nokia isn't looking at the n810 to be a direct competitor for the iPhone, not its own n95.The n810 seems to provide most of the functionality of an iPod Touch and far, far more. Unfortunately, the review isn't just biased, but woefully incomplete at best.

Ok, by reading this I can tell that you did _not_ do your online research. Things you left out: VoIP, full linux term, movies, ect. How you got hired to do reviews I will never know...Lets start with VoIP. You can run: Gizmo phone, Skype, and Asterisk (a full PBX for your pocket). Now lets see what can the iPhone do... Oh ya, make calls blaw blaw. Lets see whats next on the list your term. The b810 can run a full xterm(with tabs) you can ssh to your servers (with port forwarding for insta-VPN). The the perl is it can run bash.Movies/Video: it can run mplayer. nuff said.Again, you didn't cover the n810. You compared a cell phone to a mobile linux computer. This is like comparing pie, to a book. You can't eat the book, and you can't read the pie.Again, please learn to use the internet to find more about your toys.Thanks much,Dr. Null

Seems that there is a bug in the N810 GPS software (gpsd) that can cause slow initial GPS lock. Fortunately solution seems to be available, see this link for information and fix:[url]http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/[/url]

Anyone tried loading OpenOffice/Korganizer? - or is there a reduced equivalent?

I really don't see what the big deal about having a small 3G enabled phone and an n810. With a trusted connection you don't even have to take the phone out of your pocket. And this way, if something better than 3G comes up I just have to change phone. Not to mention the fact that I find it ridiculous to see people with their PDAs stuck to their faces to make a phonecall (by the way, do people see webpages in QVGA?).Another good thing about the n810 is the fact that you can download, install and use an app right away, without a mandatory pc with M$ W$ or having to use Itunes to move data to your device (It's like: "ohh, I have a pda but I bring my Laptop with me in case I have to install software" lolol).

:cry: Loving my new n810 but can't load the Skype version - files missing and need to re-flash - what is and how do you do this? Instructions for the simple minded please